need to get some shit off your chest? Piazza subsequently stumbled toward the basement steps, then fell down them. However, I'd also like to argue that the fraternity is also legally and morally responsible for his initial intoxication. It could certainly be considered nansalyhbter, and it is horrible what these kids didbut can you explain how this all of a sudden became murder? Where Piazza is not at fault, where the parents have a right to be upset, and why this is a major issue at all is that the fraternity didn't seek timely medical attention that could have saved his life. Timothy is accountable for over consuming alcohol (under severe social pressure from his Brothers, which could easily be argued as coercion). These were supposed to be his friends. UhhI'm not affiliated with penn state or a fraternity in general. The judge on Monday evening granted the defense's request to continue the hearing, the Philadelphia Inquirer reported. WebThe attorney general's office has new evidence: surveillance video from the basement of that frat house on Penn State's main campus. In this attempt he managed to hit himself in the head several more times and knock himself out again. They did not call 911 until the morning of Feb. 3, about 12 hours after Piazza fell, the report said. That's just all manner of fucked up. You are asking them to think and act rationally about this, and that is something that is very difficult for grieving people to do. Tim Piazza (center) is pictured with his parents, Evelyn and James. The video includes Piazza consuming nearly 20 drinks in 90 minutes. Prosecutors claim the former fraternity brothers at Beta Theta Pi waited to get Piazza help in an attempt to cover up their drinking and "coordinate a story.". While this event is horribly tragic, I don't think it serves anyone to blame the other fraternity members and act like Timothy piazza had no involvement. Not calling an ambulance for an unconscious, dying person, and instead beating that person up, sounds pretty evil to me. They used this power not to keep him safe but to encourage him to drink to the point where even if he hadn't injured himself he would have almost certainly been hospitalized or died of alcohol poisoning. This is a footnote from the CMV moderators. I don't think it serves anyone to blame the other fraternity members and act like Timothy piazza had no involvement. When Piazza was finally brought to the hospital on Feb. 3, he had a damaged spleen. Tim was in no way responsible for or a part of this behavior. Because court recessed without a decision, all 16 men are expected to be back in court in the coming weeks. "Brothers were coming up to him and giving him those drinks," she added. The reason why hazing works, and why hazing charges exist, is because peer pressure is an extremely powerful motivator. 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Not every tragedy is a crime, said Ems lawyer, Bill Brennan. He can't protect himself from the alcohol and the injuries, and it goes on and on until he dies, and then they don't render aid at that point. "That's the evidence that the commonwealth now has.". Reporters describe the tension between the fraternity brothers and the grieving parents: According to the Inquirer report, Tim's father, Jim, "glared" at Joseph Ems Jr., who is accused of throwing a shoe at Piazza and slapping him in the abdomen. More:16 students face judge in Penn State hazing death of Timothy Piazza, More:'He looked like a corpse': Video shown of Penn State pledge after fatal injuries. But, still, they pressured him into drinking too much. We've received your submission. WebDr. A sketch shows the preliminary hearing in the death of Penn State student Timothy Piazza resumes in Centre County Courthouse, Bellefonte, Penn., Aug. 10, 2017. They are the sole reason he is dead. His brothers. Any one of these people could have stayed with him kept him from doing further damage to himself. Obviously you are riding a very high horse and looking down on me. WebOne of the 18 Beta Theta Pi members charged with the Feb. 4 death of 19-year-old Tim Piazza removed everything from the basement camera two days after his alcohol-related Investigators say the frat brothers waited 12 hours to call 911. Gabe Gutierrez, an NBC News correspondent, said via Twitter that the courtroom was silent as prosecutors played video of Piazza dying. 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He ultimately was left on a couch overnight and was found by frat members the following morning. Make me see why the Piazza parents are not complete assholes. The charges filed Monday which range from involuntary manslaughter to aggravated assault and hazing rely on surveillance footage taken during the pledge event connected with the 19-year-old's death. The Centre County District Attorney announced on Monday that the FBI has recovered video footage from the night before 19-year-old Timothy Piazza's death. Another 11 frat members are already facing similar charges. I posted here because I realized my opinion on the incident is different then just about anyone elses. Upload, livestream, and create your own videos, all in HD. She issued several tweets about the surveillance tapes, calling the footage "grueling" to watch. Piazza eventually staggered to the basement where he fell down a flight of stairs. Get browser notifications for breaking news, live events, and exclusive reporting. Parks Miller said in a written statement that the basement video clearly depicts a continuation of the hazing activity previously captured upstairs, including giving pledges beer, wine and vodka. Pledges showed signs of intoxication, and Piazza had to be helped to a couch. That night after the February event, Piazza drunkenly fell down the stairs and sustained the injuries that led to his death less than two days later. I think they're acting like distraught parents struggling to cope with the death of their son even if it means distorting reality a bit and choosing to see his son in the best of lights and his frat brothers in the worst. The frat decided to pick him up, move him to a new location, talk about it for forty minutes, agree to call for help but not inform them when the incident occurred and tried to clean him of blood and change his clothes. i have to say, if this were just a random person from the general public, they seriously wouldnt be this invested to make a throwaway account to make someone change their simpleton mind and then it results in you fighting to hang onto every tooth and infected hang nail (points which are not at all logical, and seriously only are one a sociopathic, guilty person would be rationalizing) Youre throwing shit to a wall and hoping it sticks, desperate for a new defense to use in court since the basement footage has now been released. Detectives also found a text from Becker the day after the party, saying Piazza was technically hazed into drinking that much. In another text, Becker used an expletive to say someone had argued against getting the pledges very drunk but no one listened.. He fell down drunk, which initially knocked him out so that much is his fault. It took nearly twelve hours for them to make the call for help. Over the course of 42 more minutes, the video footage shows them hauling Piazza back upstairs, shaking him, and attempting to prop his limp body up on the couch. Inspire employees with compelling live and on-demand video experiences. I see the frat members as stupid, not evil. Becker, 21, of Niskayuna, New York, was charged with evidence tampering, obstruction and hindering a prosecution. An example should be made of that chapter, so I would say his parents are more like the dicks that are trying to fuck the assholes that just want to shit all over everything, IMO. Brothers [in the fraternity] were coming up to him and giving him those drinks.". Investigators say his blood alcohol level was between .28 and .36. It's a horrible idea for any crime, this one included. Not one person thought to take him to the hospital??? Fraternity members referred to the pledge ceremony as an "obstacle course" in text messages, according to a report on the grand jury's investigation. That video was shown in court on Monday. One fraternity member is accused of deleting the video as police were seeking the footage. He seems to want to use it that way, and is manipulating the media to do so. Excerpts from the footage havebeen compelling: Fraternity members are shown holding Piazza down, strapping him to a backpack to keep him from turning over and choking, pouring liquids on him and trying to get him to stand so they could dress him even whenhe appeared to be unconscious. One of the main revelations from the footage: Fraternity brothers gave Piazza at least 18 drinks in one hour and 22 minutes. Piazza was at the Penn State University fraternity for a pledge event in February when he died after falling down a flight stairs. What is he responsible for? Penn State Frat House Death: Fast Drinking, Slow Death, Frantic Coverup In Grand Jury Timeline, Frat House Death At Penn State: A Who's Who Of The Accused. You know what, if somebody falls down a flight of stairs because they're blackout drunk, you should probably make sure that nothing bad happens to him. Absolutely nobody around checking on him? "It really is difficult to watch.". Sure. His "brothers," could have handled it better, but it is clear his parents taught him no accountability, and have no idea what it is themselves. Piazza's death "was the direct result of traumatic brain injuries," according to the forensic pathologist on the case. Timothy Piazza, 19, from New Jersey died after falling down a flight of stairs during a hazing ritual at the Beta Theta Pi fraternity house. "His eyes were closed. Prosecutors filed charges against 12 members of Penn State's now-shuttered Beta Theta Pi chapter and added to the already-existing charges against five others. Tim then woke up the following morning still alone and attempted to move. hide caption. The houses security system captured many of the events the night Piazza was injured, footage that had already been played at a preliminary hearing for those charged previously. Again normal people would have called for medical assistance seeing as he is still unresponsive or at least have a person watch over him but they left him. Twenty-six people now face charges in the case. PennLive.com reporter Christian Alexandersen was also at the hearing. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Thanks for contacting us. College students drink. Piazza was carried to a couch where frat brothers poured beer on him, hit him, and eventually propped him on his side. He got up and tried to reach the front door but fell head first into it, knocking himself unconscious again. Piazza appears lifeless for most of the video, rolling on the ground and holding his head in his hands. The grand jury that investigated Piazzas death, video footage and preliminary hearing testimony painted a disturbing picture of his final night inside the fraternity house. Advertisement Surveillance video played in court reportedly shows Piazza repeatedly falling, passing out and tumbling head-first down a flight of stairs, and no one called 911 for hours. The video captured the night 14 pledges, including Piazza, were taken through a speed-drinking event called "the gauntlet." Speaking of which, downvotes don't change views! They aren't assholes. I don't even know where you get the whole idea I am making personal digs at people, or how you can think anything i said could only be thought by a frat bro, or whatever. Before emergency assistance arrived, the brothers wiped blood from his face and attempted to dress him, but his body was too rigid to successfully put clothes on. Join Vimeo WebDetectives may have discovered crucial new evidence in the death of Penn State student Timothy Piazza. Sometimes to excess. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. I mean, that's the whole point of this subreddit. He had to have more than half his skull removed to relieve the massive pressure built up from all those head injuries. The surgeons attempting to save his life deemed the injuries to likely be nonrecoverable, and Piazza was pronounced dead in the early morning of February 4, 2017. Piazza was a freshman taken in by the frat, the senior frat members are both stupid and evil. He was estimated to have had a blood-alcohol level several times the legal limit for adult drivers. In May, a grand jury revised that assessment, calling it "the direct result of encouraged reckless conduct." 7:45 p.m. Piazza was seen on his hands and knees in "No parent wants to see what is apparently on this videotape.". WebThe Discovery of Timothy Piazzas Unconscious body is disturbing. WebSurveillance video played in court reportedly shows Piazza repeatedly falling, passing out and tumbling head-first down a flight of stairs, and no one called 911 for hours. He suffered severe head trauma and a ruptured spleen from the fall. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Piazza's parents have spoken out poignantly about the incident. He continued to stand up only to repeatedly fall back down. Susan Snyder, a Pulitzer Prize-winning reporter from the Philadelphia Inquirer, was at the hearing. Press J to jump to the feed. The legal system is mostly consequentialist simply because letting judges and juries decide which defendants are 'nice people at heart' and let them go, is exactly how lynch mobs and rich, pillar of the community rapists got away with a slap on the wrists or less. I just wanted to have a conversation. Timothy Piazza, 19, was given 18 drinks in less than Heated disagreements broke out while Parks Miller shared hours of evidence with the court, including surveillance video from cameras set up around the frat house. Piazza, a 19-year-old sophomore from New Jersey, died after tumbling down a flight of stairs and fracturing his skull during an alcohol-fueled pledge ritual at the Beta Theta Pi house on Feb. 4. He was found several hours later by members of the frat. This dental device was sold to fix patients' jaws. 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